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  • #31
    Update: about 246,000n cases along with more than 6,000 deaths

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    • #32
      My nephew, who lives in New York State, will start a job today, working 10-hour nights, lasting two weeks, erecting a hospital in the White Plains Convention Center. His unemployment benefits had run out, so this job comes at the right time for him and should reinstate his unemployment benefits when this job is finished.

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      • #33
        CA. Gov. Newsom said after Donzilla's meeting with pro sports commissioners that he finds it hard to believe there would be a way to have fans in the seats come August/September in CA. It all doesn't preclude sports from being played with no fans, but even teams playing in 'secure' facilities while being tested constantly will be a huge challenge.

        https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/...v-newsom-says/

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        • DaveyShines
          DaveyShines commented
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          Le Grand Orange still fancies himself a sportsman. Remember his New Jersey Generals of the ill-fated USFL? Didn't he have Herschel Walker and Doug Flutie on that team? Anyway, I digress. What a grandstander your Commander in Chief is. He can't find enough ventilators and masks but doesn't mind taking valuable time out of his day to convene a conference call with the league execs. What a maroon. Nobody knows where this is going next week, let alone in 6 months. Some experts think it could be with us another 2 years with multiple waves and a seasonal component. Heaven forbid that it ever mutates before an anti-viral or vaccine is even developed.

        • Seahawk Rick
          Seahawk Rick commented
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          Yes Davey, spin the wheel on where it could be in the fall and if football can start, which means it has to be squashed by end of July...Only 4-months away. Many experts look at it being back in the fall like you say...Maybe we all lockdown fast then to knock it out fast, or have a bunch of states not shut down and it heats up too much. Hard to see football having a normal season at all...Possible it starts, but how does it finish. Ugh.

      • #34
        Tell me numbers aren’t going to be skewed...
        As you sit home watching COVID death counts spiral, please know the official CDC guidance for coding COVID-related deaths is as follows: “COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is *ASSUMED* to have caused or contributed to death.” Confirmed lab tests are not required. So if the medical person thinks a person MIGHT have had it they are supposed to list the death as COVID. Does that sound like the numbers will be accurate...

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        • Seahawk Rick
          Seahawk Rick commented
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          Numbers are best guesses in many ways. Covid related death numbers you would think could be in the ball park as testing a patient before or after they died seems like it would happen but maybe I'm way off base on that. The infection numbers are the true wildcard with so many not being counted...Those true numbers will never be known but they'll use a formula to get to an 'at least' number when this all ends and they are able to have everyone's numbers to crunch.

          Going from over 8000 now to 100,000 seems like it can't happen, but a month ago we were under 50. Let's hope the under wins big.
          Last edited by Seahawk Rick; 04-05-2020, 08:03 AM.

      • #35
        Buck...Just saw this Sunday morning. Touches on how the true numbers will probably never be known and undercounting here, and most likely around the globe will be lower than what will be in any stats when all is said and done.
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        The Washington Post: Alert | Coronavirus death toll: Americans are almost certainly dying of covid-19 but being left out of the official count
        https://www.washingtonpost.com/inves...a6d_story.html

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        • Buckeyefan80
          Buckeyefan80 commented
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          Marc Lipsitch, a professor of epidemiology at Harvard, said there are probably some people dying with covid-19 who are not dying of covid-19. Such misattribution is a problem for any cause of death, he said, but it is a minor issue that is “swamped by the opposite problem: deaths that are caused by covid but never attributed, so the death count is underestimated.”
          This is why we will never know the count and it really is hard to state whether numbers are over or under reported. The CDC literally told them to count a death as COVID if they THINK it could've been the cause. There is no way the numbers can be remotely close with that kind of accountability.

      • #36
        Instead of getting the Federal Government to make a maximum effort to stop the spread and to cure this pandemic (INSTEAD OF DOING HIS JOB) Trump continues to lie at his daily press conferences, trying to cover up all of his mistakes that helped to spread this virus. Actually, his press conferences are just his way to get himself on tv for free instead of paying the tv stations for political ads for his re-election. HAS ANY OTHER PRESIDENT LIED AS MUCH AS TRUMP? NO, HE LIES EVERY TIME HE SAYS SOMETHING.

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        • #37
          You would think that this TOTALLY INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT would realize that his daily 2-hour, lying press conferences are actually hurting his re-election chances. More and more Republicans, Democrats and Independents who voted for Trump in 2016 are realizing that they made a mistake and will not vote for Trump in the coming election.

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          • Buckeyefan80
            Buckeyefan80 commented
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            Well Dems shot themselves in the foot by putting Biden in the race so doubtful it matters. Hopefully for him he doesn’t forget he is running. Trump wins by bigger margin than 2016...

          • Seahawk Rick
            Seahawk Rick commented
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            It's all about the economy Buck...It won't be good in the fall and the weight of how badly this was handled will keep Donzilla from winning. The wildcard is if the GOP fucks around with the election and blocks vote by mail efforts. Wisconsin is what can happen in many states as the GOP will use the virus as an excuse to screw around with closing polling places like they've already done in many places.

            The 2018 vote and primaries before Covid had huge turnout and that doesn't bode well for the GOP as they want as few people voting as possible. People are sick of Donzilla in enough numbers to show him the door if we have a normal election.

            He's an effing griffter and will get money out of this rescue package along with his friends. Why do you think he just fired the IG Tuesday!
            Last edited by Seahawk Rick; 04-11-2020, 02:37 PM.

        • #38
          Originally posted by TARB View Post
          You would think that this TOTALLY INCOMPETENT PRESIDENT would realize that his daily 2-hour, lying press conferences are actually hurting his re-election chances. More and more Republicans, Democrats and Independents who voted for Trump in 2016 are realizing that they made a mistake and will not vote for Trump in the coming election.
          Although, it’s nice to think Americans cast votes positively – for the man or woman they think can do the job better – more often than not, in American presidential elections, votes are cast negatively – against whoever the other individual running happens to be. It’s a mistake to think that the widely ballyhooed Trump base is uniformly pro-anything, including Trump, rather than anti-everything the Democratic Party stands for. There’s also the fractious nature of the Democratic Party itself, which routinely tears itself to shreds in the lead up to party nomination, and then proceeds – at times – with vengeance on their minds, rather than in unity. It happened in 2016, when the “Hate Hillary” brigade of former Sanders supporters – especially in Wisconsin and Michigan - either stayed home on November 7th, voted for Jill Stein, or even Trump. It’s a good thing that Sanders has now dropped out, and Biden’s hands are apparently clean, so that hating on Biden will be minimal – but this is going to a very strange election, and with well-placed and well-financed Republicans, willing and able to hijack American votes, I’m not very hopeful.

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          • Buckeyefan80
            Buckeyefan80 commented
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            ^^^This is truth. I can’t stand either party but I am more anti-dem than anti-repub. Thats not even bc of the parties values, it’s bc of the hypocritical arrogant pieces of shit that belong to and run the party. I’m in the minority of hating both and actually not voting for either of them, and the only thing they will actually come together on is fighting to not allow a legit 3rd party candidate. With reps you know where they stand, they’re all about the money and lining their own pockets. The hypocritical dems will tell you they are working for you, but nothing they do is for us, it’s for themselves! Biden and the dems better hope this sexual assault case goes away *cough it will cough* and no more come out or they are not going to be looking very good.

          • WJCJR
            WJCJR commented
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            Self-serving, dishonest and hypocritical politicians have been the norm for democracies since the earliest democratic forms of government in Greece and Rome; and, unless the nature of being human undergoes an unlikely and radical change, politics in America will remain what it is. That said, as American politics has evolved: a fact of life In the U.S. is that the rich rule, regardless of what party is in power. America has never in its history ever been as close to an oligarchy as it is today – a big problem that has no comfortable solution. Which is one reason why, in presidential election years, the only ballot I cast is for MLB All-Stars.

        • #39
          I just checked the odds on the presidential election at Pinnacle. I was amazed to see that Trump is the slight favorite.

          Field (Biden) +102
          Donald Trump -119

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          • Seahawk Rick
            Seahawk Rick commented
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            IFFFFF we have anything close to a 'normal' election, I'll bet the house on Biden. Donzilla's economy card is toast...Medicare for all bashing is toast...Cutting ACA to nothing is another gash in Donzilla's enormous gut, and he'll never get away from owning the horrible response to a major crisis.

            IFFFFF we go 'Wisconsin' in November, than anything can happen as the GOP voter suppression tactics will have an effect.

            I'm looking for record turnout IF we have a normal election...That spells a DEM win.
            Last edited by Seahawk Rick; 04-09-2020, 12:21 PM.

        • #40
          Originally posted by Buckeyefan80 View Post
          Tell me numbers aren’t going to be skewed...
          As you sit home watching COVID death counts spiral, please know the official CDC guidance for coding COVID-related deaths is as follows: “COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is *ASSUMED* to have caused or contributed to death.” Confirmed lab tests are not required. So if the medical person thinks a person MIGHT have had it they are supposed to list the death as COVID. Does that sound like the numbers will be accurate...
          But – what’s the alternative? In the absence of testing the dead, it seems a reasonable assumption to make that anyone displaying symptoms of Covid 19 prior to death, be so designated as one who died of the Coronavirus. Also, it’s not like those who make this “assumption” are any Tom, Dick or Harry – they’re mostly the doctors who treated these individuals. Given that America leads the world in infection cases, yet has a suspiciously low death rate compared to other nations, there has been and continues to be a gross underestimation of deaths attributable to Covid 19 in the U.S. That’s a major skewing of the results, and deserving of investigation in the future.

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          • Buckeyefan80
            Buckeyefan80 commented
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            The alternative is to count a heart attack death as a heart attack. There should be an autopsy just like every other death, that would give more true numbers. The US is testing many people that don’t need tested as well. Take the Nuggets for example. Did everyone in the org NEED to get tested? I’m not going to assume that’s the reason numbers are so high. Just putting a little perspective on it. Also the fact that we have one of the better health care systems could play a major role in why we don’t have so many deaths. Also the US likes to play god so who knows how many testing kits should’ve went elsewhere. I would think you wouldn’t skewed numbers in the limper, would you? I’ll agree that there probably were many deaths in the beginning that didn’t get counted, but that is not a good reason to start counting almost every death as covid related. I know it’s Drs. making the “assumption” but we all know why never to assume. Came along this little bit of info today too...see what the cdc started.

          • WJCJR
            WJCJR commented
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            I like your impulse to positively spin. I really do – but, honestly, I look at the numbers every day, and nobody – but nobody – in the U.S. is inflating the numbers of Covid 19 deaths. It is so obviously the reverse; that the numbers are being deflated; it’s like denying that water is wet. But, by all means spin away, though for goodness sake, don’t take yourself too seriously, and put yourself at risk thinking Covid 19 doesn’t kill. It really, really does. Also, not all who die are autopsied, and testing the dead is a waste of limited resources anyway. A heart attack may, indeed, be just a heart attack, but a heart attack, determined by a doctor, to have been precipitated by Covid 19 – is not just another heart attack. And, testing all the Denver Nuggets – what epidemiologists call a cluster - is precisely what we should have been doing all along. The Chinese got that part right in Wuhan. And if I was like Donald Trump, I'd definitely skew the Limper's numbers - to enhance my "stable genius" pedigree.
            Last edited by WJCJR; 04-09-2020, 02:01 PM.

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          • #42
            Speaking of Minnesota: As of today, despite having only 51 deaths reported, which ranks them 30th in the U.S. (hardly an “inflated” number), they have the worst Covid 19 survival rate of all 50 states.

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            • #43
              Trump blames everybody, except himself, for the very slow start to combat this pandemic. Pence is just Trump's puppet, touting how well this incompetent, disfunctional president is handling this crisis

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              • #44
                What’s interesting, and perhaps significant, is what’s happening outside of Washington. According to the Washington Post, “a collection of governors, former government officials, disease specialists and nonprofits are pursuing a strategy that relies on the three pillars of disease control: ramp up testing to identify people who are infected. Find everyone they interact with by deploying contact tracing on a scale America has never attempted before. And focus restrictions more narrowly on the infected and their contacts so the rest of society doesn’t have to stay in permanent lockdown.”

                https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...irus-strategy/

                Such a process has worked in China and South Korea, and is the exact opposite of Trump’s strategy of sending people back to work and crossing your fingers. That said, expanded testing and having the people to find the clusters with whom the infected have interacted and putting all in isolation – will be almost impossible without federal support – and Trump seems enthralled by his own fantasy of how this will turn out, and nothing will change his mind until – again – it is too late to stem the tide of disaster.

                And two things I’ve also read – both equally depressing – the first being that the reported number of those infected, according to “experts” surveyed by 538, may only reflect 13% of the actual total!!! And second - there’s the economy. If you believe that government can buy the country back into prosperity – then you’re either an idiot, or a self-serving politician – because a depression is staring America in the face, and it will take more than handouts to turn things around. The dead, dying and fearful are not going back to work.
                Last edited by WJCJR; 04-10-2020, 10:26 PM.

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                • TARB
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                  Hopefully, the fathers and mothers with minor children and those minor children themselves will be the demographic with the highest percentage of survivors. This is from a 76-year old man, so not self-serving.

              • #45
                One of the first good signs is reduced hospitalization in New York State recently.

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