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  • Buckeyefan80
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    I don’t typically read WAPO, among many others, bc I feel like they like to skew the news to the left, instead of just REPORTING FACTS, but most of the article appears accurate. This is one line that supports my belief, “Trump has spent much of his presidency fixated on U.S. borders and denying entry to foreigners.“ Trump is fixated on denying entry to ILLEGAL immigrants, not all foreigners. There was def a lot of chaos and not a lot of direction. I never understood why any restriction had a future date, which also created a lot of the chaos. Restrictions should’ve been immediate, not giving people days to herd into the US, and a plan for citizens to return should’ve been discussed. All in all, it sounds like the airport officials didn’t help by allowing people that had the symptoms to just pass through. Another quote from Illinois Governor, “The federal government needs to get its [email protected]#t together.” While this is true, and has been true for decades, and even if he is right, any good leader knows that you don’t call out another leader like that, especially in a time of crisis. Yes, I know Trump’s tweets and calling out are childish, and I’m not saying he’s a good leader either. They are also funny at the same time. Sorry, not sorry 🤷‍♂️ All in all, it sounds like a lot countries dropped the ball on the Europe restrictions, some better than others, but there was also a lot of people on both sides debating whether it was a good move even at the time it happened. So, we can’t change anything that has happened in the past(or else we’d all be rich. Lol) so let’s just figure out what we can do from now on to get through this.

  • Buckeyefan80
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    I hear ya man. The fact that contact tracing helped RSK and Japan (I read an article today that they used that from the get go) and some people in the US are so against it, tells us all we need to know about the state of our govt. So many people don’t trust them bc how shady all of them are. Many think they’ll use it as a form of bi brother, and how can we really blame them knowing how corrupt they all are? I know messed up by not blocking all travel, but I’m not sure any country really did this early on bc no one knew. Plus there were people saying it may be too early to shut down travel from just china, so imagine if travel was restricted from anywhere. There would’ve been uproar from everywhere. Like I’ve said before, I don’t listen to any of his speeches, but if what you are saying is all true then I can’t say I disagree with you. It’s funny that he talks about how they’re all out to get him tho, bc they are bc he knows how corrupt they all are and hopefully will expose it all if he loses in Nov or during his next term. But in all honesty, how the f*€k can the Dems put Biden up against him? I’m all for voting for a Dem if it’s a good choice. Biden is not a good choice. This has to be the first time in history of the US the VP didn’t run for Pres immediately after the 2nd term. That REALLY has to make you think WTF is up with the Dem party. They are a shady ass bunch for sure and the problem is no one will call them on it bc I’m sure it happens on both sides.
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  • Seahawk Rick
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    Long article on the early days and how screwed up the travel restriction debacle was. The virus was here already but it just shows another example of how the keystone cops are running the country...

    The Washington Post: Alert | One final viral infusion: Trump’s move to block travel from Europe triggered chaos and a surge of passengers from the outbreak’s center
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...6e5_story.html

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  • Seahawk Rick
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    I can buy into him not acting on travel and social distancing in February as the virus was known to have gotten here already but he shut down the front door with China as the backdoor from Europe was wide open. The March 11th clusterfuck of a speech he gave from the oval on travel that turned things into chaos could have been the moment he became a President and said the country will have to do tough things and sacrifice to stem the tide of the virus plus say the Fed's would do everything they could to help get through the days to come with supplies and anything else deemed necessary to battle it. He didn't, and then went into ostrich mode. No President would have done things perfectly early, and deaths were gonna happen no matter what, but the total FU he gave to the states was mind boggling. He said he was a war time President at one point, but he showed he would have a tough time getting a girl scout meeting together. Mobilizing all the PPE for delivery and making sure companies in the U.S. stopped selling abroad, as was happening in March would have helped a ton. Testing and contact tracing, which helped South Korea squash it fast was just a dream here. He left it up to the states that had to fight each other for supplies and tests. He showed how putting people/cronies that don't know what the fuck they are doing in important jobs in a crisis gave it to the states without Vaseline. The usual blame everyone but himself dance is being played out again. He says the numbers of infections and deaths are phoney now and everyone is out to get him. We can't get him until Nov. 3rd unfortunately...Way too much time for him to screw up even more stuff. I hope there is something left for Biden to clean up...

  • Buckeyefan80
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    Can't say I can disagree with much that you said Rick. One thing he quite possibly gets a bad wrap for is the shutting down borders/flights. The first China flight restrictions in the world happened on Jan 24, only 1 week earlier, and it was only Asian and Pacific countries that restricted China travel. On Jan 31 he restricted flights from China to US citizens and their families only, which the US was one of the first, if not the first western country to do so, and the 23rd country in the world. At that time there were 6 confirmed cases, up from 2 on the 24th. Not sure anyone could foresee exactly how bad it was going to be at that time. The WHO had recognized it as a pandemic, but the last pandemic didn't require travel restrictions so it's hard to argue anyone knew. There are epidemiologists that say all the travel restrictions did was slow the spread (not sure I can totally agree with that). They say with a virus like this, once it's in the country travel restrictions make much less of a difference. Other people said that travel restrictions at that point probably doesn't make sense due to it spreading to several other countries. He could've cut off travel from everyone, but I'm not sure anyone knew the extent of the lethality at the time. There were also people saying that restricting travel too soon could have negative effects. Even saying restricting China travel could cause them to not report cases. Some health experts back in early March say that we have not seen any evidence that the restrictions stopped or slowed down the transmission of the virus. You say, "a real President would have realized the scope of the issue and at some point in February held a National Speech to lay out to the country all the science behind having an immediate social distancing plan to enact within a week." The thing about this is not even Italy, which was the first country to go into lockdown, didn't go into lockdown until March 9th. It's easy to criticize anyone now with all the info we have. All the expert health officials all the way until late Feb/early March were saying people were over-reacting and Fauci himself on March 8 was downplaying it and said masks should be reserved for healthcare workers. Fauci is the guy Trump is supposed to be listening to, so why would he lay a plan out in Feb. when none of the experts were saying he should? I don't think he should've ever brought any of his family into the Administration, and his so in law is a fuck that should be shot! He def fucked up with the supplies and for sure is all about the stock market, but at the same time, the stock market kinda tells the story of the economy. Doesn't every President want a good economy?/ Isn't that kinda the point of the nation? I think what's funny is that Obama would've done the same things in regards to restrictions and he would've been praised, but we will never know. Our country was doomed to be bankrupt the Day Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act and has been on pace to a point of no return since the Reagan Admin, and 100% fact the "W" Admin made sure we would never come back, so he can feed the MIC. I'm sure the way things are going and definitely if he gets re-elected he will do more damage than the $10T damage Obama did. The difference is Obama didn't have to borrow $6T+ to hand out to citizens. You can add all the corporate money and dumb shit that was in the bills, but that's on the bill makers for even putting it in there and the POS Congress for allowing it.

  • WJCJR
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    Look, I’m not pro or against anything that works, I know that “social distancing” has worked to calm the spread of disease, but when, how, or if, that is to change, I want to see facts, not fabrications, to support what takes its place. I know that continuing this nationwide lockdown also has deadly consequences and the cost to everyone (especially the young) having their lives interrupted is an on-going tragedy. I want it over! (Plus, as an old fart, I’ve been robbed of one of the few baseball seasons I have left to me, my own personal tragedy. Boo-hoo.) Thing is, it’s not a question, today, of “Give Me Liberty OR Give Me Death”, it’s “Give Me Liberty AND Give me Death”, and I reject that calculation. I appreciate that you seem more accepting of the latter, and you’re not alone, but I’ll fight that to the bitter end.

    About my posted infections and death numbers – sure, some like China’s and Russia’s are stupefyingly false (which I only include to show propaganda at its lamest), but over the past couple months, I’ve read into the methodology of “Worldometers” and Johns Hopkins University’s CSSE - my sources -, and found them to be credible, using, as they do, a variety of non-governmental sources to compare with “official” reporting, and issuing something like consensus data. But, about the “recovery” numbers, I suppose calling them not credible is an overstatement. Thing is, it doesn’t take a genius to see that there’s something wrong, or different with, for example, the UK’s numbers – they use a unique protocol for recovery reporting – and if you look under the hood, that’s true of most countries – including the U.S. Even if you think U.S. hospitals are shit, I’m not buying that Russia’s have, overnight, become the nearly perfect place to bring your Covid 19 troubles. Death reporting, however, is pretty simple by comparison.

    Also, funny you should mention the American political “problem” of voting straight party lines. That’s one of the reasons I give myself, after each election, for self-promising to never vote again – except for the baseball all-stars. But I think I kept that promise only once in the last 50 years, or so – lol

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  • Seahawk Rick
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    He lies about things he's said that are on video...He lies about his lies. They all lie, BUT not on the historic level of your average dictator...He is way above average on this one thing though, he'll leave the WH as the leader in bullshit spewed.

  • Seahawk Rick
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    He didn't even try beyond stopping travel from China, but 50,000 more people came in after his 'order'...He was praising China, now wants to put them under a steam-roller. 'W' stopped ALL planes from flying for 4-days. A real President would have realized the scope of the issue and at some point in February held a National Speech to lay out to the country all the science behind having an immediate social distancing plan to enact within a week, and then would have used Defense Production Act to ramp up supplies. He had three years to build up supplies but chose not to and cut programs to help against a pandemic that Obama handed him a blueprint for. He had that power. He chose to duck and cover. ignore, deflect, deny, blame, defer anything that would tank the market. Then he chooses to say the Federal Government isn't a delivery service and leaves it up to the states to fight for supplies AGAINST THE FEDS! WTF? What kind of thinking is that? His stupid ass son-in-law said the supplies the government had were for them, NOT the people. They couldn't have fucked this up any more if they tried...And they did try. He doesn't care about anyone but his donors and the 1%. Tell me how you think Obama would have handled this compared to this freak of nature that claims he's a leader. He's bankrupted a ton of businesses, including a casino...He is bankrupt, and is leaving our country bankrupt. So much winning...
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  • Buckeyefan80
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    This applies to anyone in office honestly.

  • Buckeyefan80
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    Apparently he didn’t know the authority of the President then either.

  • Buckeyefan80
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    Originally posted by WJCJR View Post

    Hey – it wasn’t me that argued “social distancing” doesn’t work. It must’ve been some other covidiot. And comparing the entire 1918-19 Flu pandemic death rate of 6.8% with today’s Covid 19 rate of death of 2.8% is, at least “odd logic” if not pure covidiot BS. (And, it was you who said: “why are we going to continue to keep things closed for a 2.8 death rate?” Right?). It’s kind of like calling a total game score based on 1st quarter numbers. Well, that percentage has increased 300% since I began tracking Covid 19 deaths, and unless people suddenly stop dying, your bizarre faith in a Covid 19 2.8% lethality will undoubtedly be shaken. And, it may be “morbid” to focus on infections and deaths, but in the atmosphere of covidiot bullshit, to me it seems refreshing to face facts – and, who says I don’t track “survivability”.

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    Those are the current numbers. I had been posting them, but these – in fact – are more morbidly depressing than just the current death rates. It’s not rocket science to figure out why. Besides, national recovery numbers are wildly inconsistent, and based on widely varied reporting protocols, and I was uncomfortable having to own them as credible.

    And, I’m relieved to hear name-calling is done, but FYI, I’ve probably voted Republican for more years you’ve been alive (I just won’t vote “stupid”, no matter party allegiance). However, I guess I’m with the “SHIT LIBS” on this one, who “DON'T WANNA HEAR” the crap covidiots are spreading.

    I never said social distancing doesn't work either. I’ve stated multiple times we will never know which way would’ve worked better. What we are doing may very well have been the better call. The whole reason for quarantine was to not overload hospitals and “flatten the curve,” and now that we have done that (hospitals are laying nurses off due to not enough patients) it is time to open things back up. Not do like Cali and shut things down in May for the next 3 months.

    I did say that and stand behind it. To put so much stress on so many people because they can’t pay bills or feed their children because their work is shut down and they can’t get any help is not worth a 2.8% DRPC, which I clearly stated was “at this time”. Death rate per capita is really the closest to best way we have to compare any pandemic, unfortunately, and of course it will probably go up. The thing is, you’re obviously going to have more deaths with 331M(2020) people vs almost 201M(1968), that’s just basic math. This is why death per capita is our best determination of lethality. Never said you don’t track survivability, but so many people want to just focus on how many people are dying.

    You say, “Besides, national recovery numbers are wildly inconsistent, and based on widely varied reporting protocols, and I was uncomfortable having to own them as credible.” And at the same time it sounds like you believe all the numbers of deaths are truthful and consistent and act like everyone of them is credible. Sounds very hypocritical to me.

    I believe you probably have voted for more years than I’ve been alive. You are in the susceptible age group, just like my parents are. It sounds like you’re smart enough to not be a straight D or R, unlike a lot of brainwashed voters. You are allowed to be on whichever side you wanna be on. My issue is, so many people are so close minded and don’t want to listen to other people’s ideas/feelings and just see things from one side. Anyone that votes all D or R is part of the problem. In all honesty, anymore it’s like anyone that votes for any D or R is part of the problem.

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  • TARB
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    Anytime Trump says something, I know that he is telling another lie. He is incapable of telling the truth. He never accepts blame for his mistakes, he searches for others to blame instead.

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  • Seahawk Rick
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  • WJCJR
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    Originally posted by Buckeyefan80 View Post
    "Maybe it’s the concept of “social-distancing” that eludes you. If you keep your distance from someone infected, or you give that person a big wet one – which you is more likely to become infected? How hard is that to grasp? Regarding the flu pandemic of 1918-19, the random “social distancing” measures nations adopted, were far too little and late, and the huge numbers of dead were the result of a second and third wave which hit with a mutated and more-virulent virus. And, given that we’re already at over 95,000 dead, what exactly is that 2.8% telling you? A month ago, using that same odd logic, your rate of American dead was 0.013%. As I’ve said, trying to project death numbers is a sucker’s game (which I was fool enough to try myself), as we won’t know a damn thing until the virus has run its course."

    I know exactly the concept of social distancing, boss. I can also grasp that the virus is infectious without even giving "a big wet one." The thing that you apparently don't realize, even by staying 6 feet apart, is we can social distance all we want for the next year, but if I am an asymptomatic carrier I can still pass it on to you, a long time from now. It is going to happen, whether tomorrow or 3 months from now. That is just the hard truth. You can't save everyone, sorry. I also know you apparently don't pay attention to percentages when it comes to survival rates. You just want to spew numbers of deaths, like the news. Pretty morbid if you ask me. Obviously, you are in the susceptible age group and don't want to interact with anyone. That is 100% OKAY!!! I will not criticize anyone that wants to stay inside nor anyone that wants to live their life. That is really what the whole debate is about for me, let people do what they want to do. Apparently you need to stay at home though, and also not let anyone around you. If you have grandkids and your kids want to bring them by make sure to tell them NO because they are probably infected, according to your numbers, and you will for sure die, according to your numbers. You don't want to get infected and then have a 100% chance of dying because the virus mutated. Seriously, I don't want you or anyone to die, but the way you make everything sound everyone is going to contract and then die with COVID because we will be the 1-6%.

    Not sure what my "odd logic" aka ACTUAL FACTS, AKA SHIT LIBS DON'T WANNA HEAR...has anything to do with the death rate. I was stating facts.All I was saying with the 2.8% is that is where we are as of this moment, to put this dumb shit into perspective with past flu pandemics. It will obviously change before all is said and done.
    Hey – it wasn’t me that argued “social distancing” doesn’t work. It must’ve been some other covidiot. And comparing the entire 1918-19 Flu pandemic death rate of 6.8% with today’s Covid 19 rate of death of 2.8% is, at least “odd logic” if not pure covidiot BS. (And, it was you who said: “why are we going to continue to keep things closed for a 2.8 death rate?” Right?). It’s kind of like calling a total game score based on 1st quarter numbers. Well, that percentage has increased 300% since I began tracking Covid 19 deaths, and unless people suddenly stop dying, your bizarre faith in a Covid 19 2.8% lethality will undoubtedly be shaken. And, it may be “morbid” to focus on infections and deaths, but in the atmosphere of covidiot bullshit, to me it seems refreshing to face facts – and, who says I don’t track “survivability”.

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    Those are the current numbers. I had been posting them, but these – in fact – are more morbidly depressing than just the current death rates. It’s not rocket science to figure out why. Besides, national recovery numbers are wildly inconsistent, and based on widely varied reporting protocols, and I was uncomfortable having to own them as credible.

    And, I’m relieved to hear name-calling is done, but FYI, I’ve probably voted Republican for more years you’ve been alive (I just won’t vote “stupid”, no matter party allegiance). However, I guess I’m with the “SHIT LIBS” on this one, who “DON'T WANNA HEAR” the crap covidiots are spreading.


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  • CEK3
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    IF the Good Lord wants me today,HE doesn't need Corona virus.....when your time is up,it's up, Virus,car wreck,heart attack,CA,,,and on and on...………..Let's open and get back to normal w/o FEAR(much of which cause by media. my 2 cents

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